senate majority harry reid said something similar. you know i think that they're actually getting closer despite the rhetoric because we're not seeing a lot of leaks on either side. either from the white house or boehner. they've had the phone calls. we don't know what really went on during them. before, we got some semblance of what went on. i think there is incentive on both sides to get a deal. now whether it is done before christmas or new year's, i'm not sure. boehner needs a if fatigue factor. he knows it will be the toughest moment of his speakership. he has to get 100 votes on his side. he has to get something from president obama whether it's more aggressive medicare means testing, something he can go back with a shiny object to his tea party guys and say at least we got this. and of course, we have to increase taxes because well, we lost the election. that's going to be very hard sell. >> bill: so this -- does this -- this have to be entitlement so-called entitlement reform? >> i think it's gotta be some type of change in en